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why do people think ottoman eco sucks in the late game without TPs and they never stand a chance? Does not it take the same time to train a vil. (moreover they are free!) and have not they got a superior army to win? what make difference between ottos and others about their economies?

why do people think ottoman eco sucks in the late game without TPs and they never stand a chance? Does not it take the same time to train a vil. (moreover they are free!) and have not they got a superior army to win? what make difference between ottos and others about their economies?

Their villagers train slower so its hard to make a come back if you get raided badly or your rush gets beaten back..

even after the mosque improvments ? and is it the only reason that why it is so ?

Without mosque improvements, they train twice as slowly as other civs' vils. Before they get all of their mosque techs, their eco is slowed down significantly because of that.

late game, otto's arent that weak. When you set up 3 TC's and do the mosque upgrades, you can max out on villagers quite fast. And an army of jans, great bombard and spahi/mams isnt easy to defeat. The only problem is that it takes some time before you can boom at full speed and most other civs will outboom you because of that.

[This message has been edited by Bart331 (edited 02-07-2009 @ 01:28 PM).]

Ha_Luke
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Quoted from Gunther331:

And an army of jans, great bombard and spahi/mams isnt easy to defeat

Spahi/Mams are just temporary so when they are dead you can't replenish them.
A bigger problem is that they don't get the faster infantry training card. That means that janns don't train as fast as other infantry. So in an spamfest it's difficult to keep up, even if they have a great economy.
An otto is very strong in early age 4, when have their upgraded Spahi and some great bombards from their unique church tech. After you defeat that army they have problems.

[This message has been edited by Ha_Luke (edited 02-07-2009 @ 01:37 PM).]

well, so an ottoman musn not turtle but they should slow down the enemy by harassing, raiding while he was going fast fortress or industrial. at late he must have TCs and TPs and a potential of a strong economy. at least it makes sense to me .

There vills train slower that's one of the reasons there eco is weaker.

vills trains slowly, their eco only gets good once mosque upgrades+3tc's are created which is later on in the game thus giving the other civs a huge eco advantage already. As stated, in late late game, otto eco is alright with 99 vills+2 factories, but they lose in treaty often due to the fact that their units train slowly so will get overwhelmed quickly.

retribution1423
Skirmisher

So in an spamfest it's difficult to keep up, even if they have a great economy.

there is a card to make jans able to build raxes, so you can spam raxes and get troops that way, you can also get the church upgrade which helps abit. The only prob with this of course is you have to get to the point where your eco can back this up - other civs can do this faster than you and there inlyes what everyone else said.

[This message has been edited by retribution1423 (edited 02-07-2009 @ 11:34 PM).]

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ottomans generally werent made to boom..but if u get stuck into doing that, you can still max vills, imperial, and spam jans+abus. Abus late game are da bomb lol, added to that mams and spahi + GB from factories and if u can, fish boom, u can own! =D i've tried

Veteran and Imperial Jans literally tear through everything.

no they dont
imperial gendarmes, backed by a french eco, as long as the ottoman doesnt have all the fishing on the map, will completely kill jans easy cause they arent as good against cavalry as other musket type units.

but that was a fine opinion indeed james, would you have anything to say on mine?

Jans do not tear through anything. Skirms with the arsenal upgrade (gives them 3x bonus vs. HI) rape Jans.

yea thats a good point too Ganzzer,
jans obviously arent as great as james thinks they are, but if hes willing to attack someones skirms with jans that sure would be humorous

Of course your not going to just have Jans.
Your going to have Hussars, Mams, Spahi's and Abus as well.
But stil - Veteran Jans are extremely strong, and if you FF they can tear through Colonial Armies easy with support from a few Abus and Hussars/Spahi/Mams.

yeas that is a possibility james, often veteran units are stronger than colonial units
has something to do with upgrades i suppose

Still, Veteran Janissaries are extremely strong.

Veteran Jans are extremely strong, and if you FF they can tear through Colonial Armies easy with support from a few Abus and Hussars/Spahi/Mams

Veteran Cuirassier/Veteran Hussars/Falcs/Veteran Lancers/(and everything you can imagine) are extremely strong, and if you FF they can tear through Colonial Armies easy with support from Ronin/Elmeti/Highlander/Swiss Pikemen/Jaeger and some more mercs.
Of course you gonna beat an age 2 army with an age 3 army!
Imperial Jans are strong, but don't counter cav as good as other (equally upgraded) HI. That plus the fact that you can't keep spamming them, makes them vulnerable late game.

Yes, Jans are strong, they beat imperial musketeers one on one, and they are equal or better than royal guard musketeers one on one. In a sense, jans are like the ottoman's royal guard/unique musketeer.
If I ever play ottomans, I would spam artillery and cav. They have cards for both. Abus have around 200 damage v infantry late game, and their imperial grens and imperial gardeners can really put a dent in their army.

they dont beat brits royal guard

The brits fully upgraded musketeers are OP.

they arent exactly op tyler, they are simply one of the brits advantages.

i think that no upgrades for imperial abus would easily kill FU imperial redcoats, dont ya think?

They might not be OP I guess, but they are really strong and there is just no chance as russia vs them with strelets or musk .

what is spam ?

why do people think ottoman eco sucks in the late game without TPs and they never stand a chance? Does not it take the same time to train a vil. (moreover they are free!) and have not they got a superior army to win? what make difference between ottos and others about their economies?

why do people think ottoman eco sucks in the late game without TPs and they never stand a chance? Does not it take the same time to train a vil. (moreover they are free!) and have not they got a superior army to win? what make difference between ottos and others about their economies?

Their villagers train slower so its hard to make a come back if you get raided badly or your rush gets beaten back..

even after the mosque improvments ? and is it the only reason that why it is so ?

Without mosque improvements, they train twice as slowly as other civs' vils. Before they get all of their mosque techs, their eco is slowed down significantly because of that.

late game, otto's arent that weak. When you set up 3 TC's and do the mosque upgrades, you can max out on villagers quite fast. And an army of jans, great bombard and spahi/mams isnt easy to defeat. The only problem is that it takes some time before you can boom at full speed and most other civs will outboom you because of that.

[This message has been edited by Bart331 (edited 02-07-2009 @ 01:28 PM).]

Ha_Luke
Sig Award Winner

Quoted from Gunther331:

And an army of jans, great bombard and spahi/mams isnt easy to defeat

Spahi/Mams are just temporary so when they are dead you can't replenish them.
A bigger problem is that they don't get the faster infantry training card. That means that janns don't train as fast as other infantry. So in an spamfest it's difficult to keep up, even if they have a great economy.
An otto is very strong in early age 4, when have their upgraded Spahi and some great bombards from their unique church tech. After you defeat that army they have problems.

[This message has been edited by Ha_Luke (edited 02-07-2009 @ 01:37 PM).]

well, so an ottoman musn not turtle but they should slow down the enemy by harassing, raiding while he was going fast fortress or industrial. at late he must have TCs and TPs and a potential of a strong economy. at least it makes sense to me .

There vills train slower that's one of the reasons there eco is weaker.

vills trains slowly, their eco only gets good once mosque upgrades+3tc's are created which is later on in the game thus giving the other civs a huge eco advantage already. As stated, in late late game, otto eco is alright with 99 vills+2 factories, but they lose in treaty often due to the fact that their units train slowly so will get overwhelmed quickly.

retribution1423
Skirmisher

So in an spamfest it's difficult to keep up, even if they have a great economy.

there is a card to make jans able to build raxes, so you can spam raxes and get troops that way, you can also get the church upgrade which helps abit. The only prob with this of course is you have to get to the point where your eco can back this up - other civs can do this faster than you and there inlyes what everyone else said.

[This message has been edited by retribution1423 (edited 02-07-2009 @ 11:34 PM).]

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ottomans generally werent made to boom..but if u get stuck into doing that, you can still max vills, imperial, and spam jans+abus. Abus late game are da bomb lol, added to that mams and spahi + GB from factories and if u can, fish boom, u can own! =D i've tried

Veteran and Imperial Jans literally tear through everything.

no they dont
imperial gendarmes, backed by a french eco, as long as the ottoman doesnt have all the fishing on the map, will completely kill jans easy cause they arent as good against cavalry as other musket type units.

but that was a fine opinion indeed james, would you have anything to say on mine?

Jans do not tear through anything. Skirms with the arsenal upgrade (gives them 3x bonus vs. HI) rape Jans.

yea thats a good point too Ganzzer,
jans obviously arent as great as james thinks they are, but if hes willing to attack someones skirms with jans that sure would be humorous

Of course your not going to just have Jans.
Your going to have Hussars, Mams, Spahi's and Abus as well.
But stil - Veteran Jans are extremely strong, and if you FF they can tear through Colonial Armies easy with support from a few Abus and Hussars/Spahi/Mams.

yeas that is a possibility james, often veteran units are stronger than colonial units
has something to do with upgrades i suppose

Still, Veteran Janissaries are extremely strong.

Veteran Jans are extremely strong, and if you FF they can tear through Colonial Armies easy with support from a few Abus and Hussars/Spahi/Mams

Veteran Cuirassier/Veteran Hussars/Falcs/Veteran Lancers/(and everything you can imagine) are extremely strong, and if you FF they can tear through Colonial Armies easy with support from Ronin/Elmeti/Highlander/Swiss Pikemen/Jaeger and some more mercs.
Of course you gonna beat an age 2 army with an age 3 army!
Imperial Jans are strong, but don't counter cav as good as other (equally upgraded) HI. That plus the fact that you can't keep spamming them, makes them vulnerable late game.

Yes, Jans are strong, they beat imperial musketeers one on one, and they are equal or better than royal guard musketeers one on one. In a sense, jans are like the ottoman's royal guard/unique musketeer.
If I ever play ottomans, I would spam artillery and cav. They have cards for both. Abus have around 200 damage v infantry late game, and their imperial grens and imperial gardeners can really put a dent in their army.

they dont beat brits royal guard

The brits fully upgraded musketeers are OP.

they arent exactly op tyler, they are simply one of the brits advantages.

i think that no upgrades for imperial abus would easily kill FU imperial redcoats, dont ya think?

They might not be OP I guess, but they are really strong and there is just no chance as russia vs them with strelets or musk .

what is spam ?